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	<title>Comments on: Low-carb info from the Drs. Heller</title>
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		<title>By: Regina Wilshire</title>
		<link>http://www.actboldly.com/2006/03/13/low-carb-info-from-the-drs-heller/comment-page-1/#comment-197</link>
		<dc:creator>Regina Wilshire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Mar 2006 15:09:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the references of the Hellers - none were in the context of a dietary pattern with low sugar and high saturated fat intake....a high carbohydrate diet combined with a high saturated fat intake - disaster in the making......low carbohydrate intake with a high saturated fat intake - lower glucose, lower insulin.   As I posted, Noakes et al just recently published findings comparing three different diets - very low carb with high saturated fat; very low fat and moderate fat high in unsaturated fat....only the low carb group had statistically significant lower glucose and statistically significant lower insulin (p=0.038 on the two combined; glucose was p=0.016 and insulin response was p=0.001 </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the references of the Hellers &#8211; none were in the context of a dietary pattern with low sugar and high saturated fat intake&#8230;.a high carbohydrate diet combined with a high saturated fat intake &#8211; disaster in the making&#8230;&#8230;low carbohydrate intake with a high saturated fat intake &#8211; lower glucose, lower insulin.   As I posted, Noakes et al just recently published findings comparing three different diets &#8211; very low carb with high saturated fat; very low fat and moderate fat high in unsaturated fat&#8230;.only the low carb group had statistically significant lower glucose and statistically significant lower insulin (p=0.038 on the two combined; glucose was p=0.016 and insulin response was p=0.001</p>
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		<title>By: Beth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Beth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Mar 2006 21:53:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regina, here&#039;s what they have to say (from p. 111-2):

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Either a diet high in carbs or one high in saturated fats (and/or trans fats) is likely to increase your insulin levels (or increase insulin resistance), which of course translates tinto more cravings and less weight loss (or none at all).
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

They don&#039;t provide any specific citations or notes, but the text does refer to these studies: 

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Remember that not all fats have been shown to raise insulin levels. From Dr. A. R. Folsom&#039;s study of over four thousand healthy, middle-aged adults, to Dr. K. D. Ward&#039;s research in the Normative Aging Study; from Dr. J. A. Marshall&#039;s study of over a thousand men and women from twenty to seventy-four years of age, to Dr. E. J. Mayer&#039;s study of nondiabetic women, the findings are the same: saturated fats increase insulin levels while unsaturated fats do not.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The one thing I like about the Hellers&#039; approach is that it seems to me that folks who are loathe to reduce their carbs to Atkins or Protein Power levels might find they could comply with the Hellers&#039; version.

That said, I do &lt;strong&gt;not&lt;/strong&gt; believe that insulin is the only biochemical process that is related to a high carb intake. Those aspects of carb metabolism related to addiction-like pathways (e.g., serotonin, beta-endorphin, dopamine) may or may not be directly tied to insulin response.

I  look forward to reading what you find out, either here or on your blog (I&#039;ll cross-link if you choose the latter).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regina, here&#8217;s what they have to say (from p. 111-2):</p>
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Either a diet high in carbs or one high in saturated fats (and/or trans fats) is likely to increase your insulin levels (or increase insulin resistance), which of course translates tinto more cravings and less weight loss (or none at all).
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<p>They don&#8217;t provide any specific citations or notes, but the text does refer to these studies: </p>
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Remember that not all fats have been shown to raise insulin levels. From Dr. A. R. Folsom&#8217;s study of over four thousand healthy, middle-aged adults, to Dr. K. D. Ward&#8217;s research in the Normative Aging Study; from Dr. J. A. Marshall&#8217;s study of over a thousand men and women from twenty to seventy-four years of age, to Dr. E. J. Mayer&#8217;s study of nondiabetic women, the findings are the same: saturated fats increase insulin levels while unsaturated fats do not.
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<p>The one thing I like about the Hellers&#8217; approach is that it seems to me that folks who are loathe to reduce their carbs to Atkins or Protein Power levels might find they could comply with the Hellers&#8217; version.</p>
<p>That said, I do <strong>not</strong> believe that insulin is the only biochemical process that is related to a high carb intake. Those aspects of carb metabolism related to addiction-like pathways (e.g., serotonin, beta-endorphin, dopamine) may or may not be directly tied to insulin response.</p>
<p>I  look forward to reading what you find out, either here or on your blog (I&#8217;ll cross-link if you choose the latter).</p>
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		<title>By: Regina Wilshire</title>
		<link>http://www.actboldly.com/2006/03/13/low-carb-info-from-the-drs-heller/comment-page-1/#comment-184</link>
		<dc:creator>Regina Wilshire</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Mar 2006 19:34:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Another interesting claim they make is that saturated fat can cause an insulin response. So they, like South Beach, recommend avoiding fatty meats and anything with lots of trans-fats.&lt;/i&gt;

What evidence are they basing this on?  Fat is metabolically neutral - doesn&#039;t provoke a glucose response, ergo, doesn&#039;t provoke an insulin response. Are they using mixed macronutrient percentages high in carbohydrate to support their contention?

Noakes et al just recently published a paper that clearly showed both fasting and post prandial insulin and glucose levels/responses were significantly lower in participants following a very low-carb, high saturated fat (61% total fat calories) diet compared with those following a very low-fat (20%) diet and a high unsaturated fat (30% total fat calories) - all groups consumed similar 20% protein.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Another interesting claim they make is that saturated fat can cause an insulin response. So they, like South Beach, recommend avoiding fatty meats and anything with lots of trans-fats.</i></p>
<p>What evidence are they basing this on?  Fat is metabolically neutral &#8211; doesn&#8217;t provoke a glucose response, ergo, doesn&#8217;t provoke an insulin response. Are they using mixed macronutrient percentages high in carbohydrate to support their contention?</p>
<p>Noakes et al just recently published a paper that clearly showed both fasting and post prandial insulin and glucose levels/responses were significantly lower in participants following a very low-carb, high saturated fat (61% total fat calories) diet compared with those following a very low-fat (20%) diet and a high unsaturated fat (30% total fat calories) &#8211; all groups consumed similar 20% protein.</p>
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		<title>By: neca</title>
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		<dc:creator>neca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Mar 2006 18:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Their point about having less frequent high carb meals is interesting in that it aligns neatly with the old body building credo of doing mostly low carb, but &quot;loading&quot; your carbs near the beginning of the day.  So your breakfast would be your &quot;heavy&quot; carb meal, and your dinner would be much lower.  I&#039;ve heard several people with good results &amp; fewer cravings going that route.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Their point about having less frequent high carb meals is interesting in that it aligns neatly with the old body building credo of doing mostly low carb, but &#8220;loading&#8221; your carbs near the beginning of the day.  So your breakfast would be your &#8220;heavy&#8221; carb meal, and your dinner would be much lower.  I&#8217;ve heard several people with good results &amp; fewer cravings going that route.</p>
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